(with many thanks for the transcript to Sasha Connor)

 Judy: 75% of us are said
to be against it as the massive anti-war march indicated. Every day it seems that celebrities are speaking out against George Bush and Tony Blair. One of them is international singing star, George Michael. But for him, this is no opportunistic bandwagon. This issue has been the top of his agenda for a long time, even before the tragic events of September 11. Last weekin a rare performance at the Brit awards, he passionately dueted with Ms.Dynamite in a specially adapted version of his hit song, Faith. 


Judy: George, I know you feel very strongly about this but do you really think there’s much chance of averting war? The way things are at the moment?

 George: No, I think there’s very little chance. I think it’s a possibility and I think it’s kind of indicative of the times that we’re in, that people are so pragmatic about the fact that it’s going to happen. Which
I think is just a reflection on politics in general now and our feelings of insignificance in terms of being listened to. But I don’t think it’s just about whether it happens, actually…I have an apology to make, actually, and
this is not because I’ve been attacked by the press, because strangely enough I’m kind of used to that. But I made a comment the other day, and I think I was being kind of a musical snob in a way, about the idea of there being something like a Band Aid. You know, Blue was going to convince Justin Timberlake…and
I think actually I reacted to that more as a musical snob, and in terms of it being ‘too late’ but, I actually had a conversation with my sister today and it was very interesting. She actually reminded me that it’s not just
about stopping this war, it’s about keeping the pressure on that, if it’s going to happen, that it’s short. And that it’s justifiable and that basically the more we protest, the quicker it’s likely to end. So in that way, you
know, day by day when thousands of people are being killed, anything….any kind of pressure at all….even if the pressure is after the war has started, is actually quite relevant. So I do apologize about that. 

 Judy: The suggestion was, Blue was saying they wanted to organise some kind of Live Aid or Band Aid with the likes of Justin Timberlake and Kylie Minogue and you were quoted as saying you didn’t think it was a very
good idea. 

 George: I think that as a musician I tend to think that things like this should be performed by people who write passionately about subjects all the time or who write in general. I suppose that there is a musical snobbery to that. But ultimately, I just think that would be a shame. I think that
Band Aid 2 was a bit of a shame because it looked so ingenuine next to the original record.


Judy: Which you were on.

 George: Which I was on. The great thing about the original one was that Bob Geldof tricked everyone into getting filmed. Nobody knew that we were going to be filmed so everybody just fell out of bed on a Sunday
morning, as you can see, when you see the video…everyone looks terrible!  bsolutely terrible. I look like Woody Woodpecker. I’ve got red-orange hair, and it’s all kind of….anyway that was what was great about it. People looked so genuine that no one dared to say no to him. 

 Richard: Alright. Let’s get back to this war question. You just said that you thought probably war is inevitable. You think there is a slim chance. And I presume that this is because you feel like most people feel,
the way I certainly feel. That America will go it alone if necessary.


George: Yeah. 

 Richard: So let’s make a distinction then. Are you suggesting that you think there’s a possibility that Tony Blair may change his mind and that Britain won’t be part of the tragedy?

 George: I think that if I didn’t believe that at all I wouldn’t be, I don’t think that I would have the courage to stick my head above the parapet again, really. And I very much didn’t want to. I absolutely want
to.


Richard: When you say again, you’re talking about being referenced to being….

 George: I meant Shoot the Dog. It was such a risk for me at the time. I’d already released one single, and I knew at the time it wasn’t the type of thing that my core audience wanted from me, you know. I made a record that was actually kind of the first record that I made that I think was like a boys record. I mean, a lot of women love it as well, but it’s kind of very aggressive and funky. And I love it, I absolutely love the track. But I was taking a risk when I released it and sure enough, a lot of my life long fans were, “oooh, I don’t know about that”….But it’s very hard to tell how many of your fans like a record when they are in their mid-thirties and they wouldn’t dream of buying singles anymore. You know, when the market is limited to
11 to 12 and 13 year old girls.

 Richard: Well, as far as Shoot the Dog was concerned, I mean, you were astonished at the aggressive criticism you got from the British press, the American press…

 George: I was astonished at the media, the press media especially, still seem to have such an aggression towards me…but then I thought about it a bit harder. And you know, I have not interacted with the media, it’s been an amazing week actually. I’ve gone from doing absolutely no promotion, I just don’t do promotion for myself and I decided that this was important. But I’ve gone from never being in front of the cameras to being in front of 8-9 cameras this week and it’s all been very strange.

 Richard: And this is the last phone in you’re going to do. Let’s just take a look at Shoot the Dog and…the message, let’s just see what caused so much anger. 


...

 Judy: Alright. So you kind of stuck your head above the parapet which you didn’t think you would again because you were, well, you were hurt…

 George: I was more hurt by the fact that no one came to my aid, actually. That there wasn’t one artist, one producer, nobody….and a couple of newspapers, and of course I had the support of the Daily Mirror which
was why I was so attacked by Rupert Murdock’s organization. But what was strange to me is that seemed to find that defensive, they seemed too interested in thinking, ‘Finally, we’ve got him’. And I’m going…I think, the truth of the matter is, I survived something that was supposed to kill me four or five years ago. And I mean I not only survived from it, but I profited from it and so, it hadn’t occurred to me that the next time I came with something, because I’ve made a jazz album but I didn’t expect, well, it did well but
it wasn’t a major push, I didn’t promote it, I didn’t release any singles, I didn’t put myself out there to be knocked down. But then the first time I come out with a single, and it has to be judged on a singles chart and everything, it was like, ‘Wow! They still feel this much towards me.’ And that was one thing but it really didn’t hurt me that much, like I said, what hurt me was the absolute lack of support over something which I already felt…I had a lot of support in terms of the politics of it, but people just preferred
to write that I was committing commercial suicide. 


Judy: What you’re referring to as the thing that nearly killed you, of course is the incident in LA.


George: Yeah. 


Judy: But we won’t go into that now 


George: Well, you can. It’s okay. I’m on Graham Norton tonight, and I’m quite sure it will be very well covered there. 

 Judy: Alright. I think that I am one of the perfect ‘undecided’s’ in this argument. I started off being very anti-war, and the more I hear from Tony Blair, the more I hear about Saddam Hussein, the closer I move
to thinking something’s got to be done to stop this guy. If you had to convince a floater like me, could you just condense your argument for me?


George: Absolutely. Because I looked at the cards that you’d made, you brought me up to date with the latest…


Richard: Taken from speeches and, go on….

 George: I absolutely, I know I would say to anyone who’s in a position where they’re wavering in, I think Mr. Blair’s vision of the future…the future that he’s afraid of, I don’t disagree with him at all. I do absolutely
believe that Saddam Hussein, who has a huge grudge against the West now…that someone like Saddam Hussein, it’s very dangerous for him to have the kind of weapons that he can distribute. But the honest trouble, the honest truth is there’s so many of those weapons already distributed. And I think what’s
far more important is, I mean the immediacy of this is totally illogical simply because of the situation on the West Bank. The situation is basically that the Jewish has had enough of terrorism, they’ve had enough of years and years and bits and pieces of terrorism…that they, and it seems strange to us, but they are more…they feel that something is finally being done.
That’s how they feel about Aril Sharron, I think they feel about Aril Sharron something like the way Loyalists feel about Ian Paisley. He won’t shift an inch so we’ll put him there and we’ll keep him there. And it’s very difficult to understand that feeling if you’re not Jewish but I can well imagine the complexity and the strength of wanting to hold onto that land….

Richard: Answer this, let’s….

George: So I’ve just, let me finish this though because it’s really important if you’re talking about the wavering. We know that Palestine is in uproar and it’s in a worse uproar than we can ever remember. To attack Saddam Hussein on what is perceived, and regardless of what the man says, most of us believe he’s got, he’s chock full of good gear as far as he’s concerned. I think most of us believe that. But to actually decide that this is the time to approach Saddam, who doesn’t actually seem to represent that much more of a threat than he did this time last year, or two years ago…before the bombing, or before the kind of retaliatory attacks in Palestine started to happen…every single Islamic terrorist network around the world will believe that those two things are connected and that there’s a double standard going on. And that, unfortunately, I can’t help believing that since September 11, and you have to understand that these people are not lunatics, they are religious fanatics….there’s a difference. And the fact that there have been no attacks since September 11 would suggest….

Richard & Judy: Well, there have been.

George: Well, there’s been attempts but…what I mean is on America. Because there’s no question that that’s where Al Qaeda is looking to, that’s what Al Qaeda is trying to wreck, is they’re trying to bring down the American empire, it’s simple. But it would suggest that they’re waiting, in their own mind, in their own justification for their cause, for their religion…

Richard: For a trigger…

George: Not just for their trigger but for legitimacy. That really frightens me.

Judy: But do you think a war would provoke them again?

George: Oh, I think absolutely there are not many fundamentalist terrorists who would not think that this was, you know, the flag to ‘Ready, set, go’.

Richard: Now you said this earlier, you commented on this, that Tony Blair was talking to the Welch Labour party earlier this afternoon and these are the reasons he gave and I actually haven’t heard him speak as passionately as this so in this debate. He obviously needs, to win the argument he needs to fatten it up. He said, ‘I will tell you why I care so deeply about this. It’s fear’ he said, ‘not the fear that Saddam is about to launch a strike on a British town or city tomorrow or the next day, not a conventional fear about a conventional threat. But the fear that one of these days, these new threats of weapons of mass destruction, rouge states and international terrorism combine to deliver a catastrophe, and the shame of knowing that I saw that threat and I did nothing to stop it would live with me forever.

George: Well, I think that there’s another, I absolutely understand…..

Richard: He seems to know something that we don’t.

George: Well, yes. But he doesn’t appear to does he? All of us, let’s be honest, those of us who believed in him and have tried to believe in him and who know, and really feel that he’s a decent man, those of us who feel that way have been waiting and waiting for this piece of information that’s going to tell us why he thinks the risk is worth taking at this moment, you know. I don’t disagree with any of that. I think that the idea, actually, to be much more concise, I think there’s another thing that he may look back on and be much more ashamed of. And I’m not just talking about starting this particular war. I think history, regardless of what happens next, history is going to see September 11 as a beginning of a very stressed out conversation between the West and the East, and the rich and poor. And this is the moment that we decide whether to talk, right? To talk and try to rationalise, to try and sort out some of the hatred that a lot of the world has for America in particular. We try and sort that one out to protect America, to protect the world in general…or we go ahead with the military idea that is actually ‘you’ve got to control this stuff’. And you know that is absolutely undoable.

Richard: But what the supporters of Bush and Blair would say to that is that they’ve tried all the talking, they’ve tried all the, we’ve had 12 years of that.

George: No, no, no. I’m not talking about Saddam though. I think this is where, this is where I think the great lie is. Because we do our visit, and this is, I’m very, very proud that the British at the very least are not convinced, let alone gung-ho about it. I’m very proud that we have something like 90% that are thinking in terms of the future and thinking we can’t afford the, even if they might be misguided about the UN they don’t want to look into the future and be reckless.

Richard: Okay, we’ll stop at that because you’re coming back later to talk to the audience and on the phone to talk about all sides of the argument there with what you think. Has your opinion on this war has been fixed from start or are you still open to the persuasion from either side of the argument? Has anything that George has said struck a cord or has he made you angry? You can tell him yourself a bit later on tonight.

George: Has any of that rubbish struck a cord?

Judy invited viewers to call in or email the show “And later George rejoins us to take your calls and your thoughts. He’s joining me as well to play ‘You Say We Pay’ and he has, in an extremely generous fashion, he has said that he will actually double the prize money for ‘You Say We Pay’ for the viewer who gets in.

BREAK

Judy: Hello. Welcome back. Still to come tonight we’ve got singer rock star George Michael taking your calls. Do you agree or disagree with his passionate belief that there must be no war with Iraq? The number to call to join in is…blah, blah, blah…..

In comes Tinkerbell, the world’s smallest dog. A Pomeranian worth 400 quid…

George: Is she an adult?

Richard: She’s nearly an adult.

George: Oh, my god.

(The adult humans on the show now being oooohing and cooooing)

Richard: Isn’t that amazing?

Glenda (Tinkerbell’s owner): Hold her up, let the audience see her.

Richard: How old is she now?

George: Awww…

Glenda: She’s about 15 weeks. Somewhere around there. She was born in November.

Richard: 15 weeks. You recon she’s stopped growing?

Glenda: She hasn’t stopped growing. She hasn’t stopped completely. She was putting on half and ounce a week, now it’s half an ounce a fortnight.

George: So you stopped feeding her so she wouldn’t grow anymore. (laughter) This is why she’s so quiet. She hasn’t eaten in three months. (laughter)

Judy: Let’s see her little face….

Richard: How many in the litter?

Glenda: Four.

Richard: And she can’t play with them because they chuck her around like a toy.

Glenda: The others have gone anyway.

Richard: Have they? Is it true that she trips over the grass?

Glenda: Yes.

George: And is she perfectly healthy? I mean does the vet say she’s healthy?

Glenda: Yes. They can’t find anything wrong with her.

Richard: Why do you think she’s so small?

Glenda: The same thing happened with a litter last year, there was one real tiny one.

Richard: So maybe just no growth hormone?

Glenda: I have no idea.

George: *being handed the dog here* Oh, hellooooo….

Glenda: Why won’t you show us your little tongue? You were doing it earlier.

George: She can’t understand you.

Judy: She’s spoken for sadly, isn’t she? Otherwise we’ll have hundreds of viewers calling in asking….

Glenda: Yes. She’s going to a new home. She goes to a new home tomorrow.

Richard: So when does she become eligible to be weighed and measured by the Guinness World Book?

Glenda: 24 weeks.

Richard: 24 weeks, so there’s only 10 weeks to go. Judy you could be holding the smallest dog on the planet in your hand.

Judy: I think she’s just….oooooh….

Richard: She’s like a little bat.

Glenda: She’s not like a little bat.

Judy: More like a mouse.

Richard: Yeah, more like a mouse. We’ll just leave you two alone. See you later George. We’ll come back to ‘You Say We Pay’ and George will be playing on that and, very kindly, he’s covering the money. Simon from London won £5000 yesterday or else today it would have been £10,000. If you want to try, this is the qualifying question.

Judy: Tomorrow is St. David’s Day, as the Welch celebrate their patron saint, but which creature is on the national flag of Wales? Is it a rabbit, a dragon or Anne Robinson? Tell us And good luck.

Richard: Now it was a….auch….

George: Is she a real cow then, Anne Robinson? (laughter)

Judy: George!

George: Well, you called her, you know, she’s I just thought you might know her. I thought I might get you into trouble. No, is she a real cow?

Richard: No, of course not.

Judy: What’s wrong now?

Richard: Nothing.

George: Nothing. Just stretching his diplomacy here.

Richard: Yeah, exactly. With a raised eyebrow.

BREAK

Richard: We’re back. No more callers for ‘You Say We Pay’, we have our caller on the line and after that, George Michael takes your calls on what looks like the very lively exchange of opinions about the coming war with Iraq.

Judy: Well, waiting on the line for ‘You Say We Pay’ with me and George is very lucky Mary from Gillingham who knew that the creature on the Welch national flag is a dragon. Hello, Mary.

Mary: Hello.

Judy: You didn’t….

George: Hello Mary.

Mary: Hello, sorry?

Judy: You didn’t think it was Anne Robinson?

Mary: No I did not.

Judy: It’s George…

George: Hello Mary. You know that I’ll double the money but chances are I’ll only get half of the questions right. That would be clever, though. Oh, that’s right.

Judy: Richard cheats all the time. Because what you see is there here behind us, the pictures you see. And as you see we have no monitors up here.

George: We’re supposed to look into that one, right?

Judy: Alright, Mary.

Richard: Now stop subverting it, alright.

Judy: Alright, Mary. Hello, and take a deep breath and your time starts now.

(Picture of Stevie Wonder on screen)

Mary: Singer..Dark glasses

George: Roy Orbison?

Mary: No, younger than Roy Orbison...dreadlocks

George: Dreadlock? Dark glasses? You’re not allowed to do that, are you?! Stevie Wonder!

Bell dings

George: That’s who that is…..who that is.

Mary: A motorcar that’s currently on a show in London. It flies and it’s on a show in London.

Judy: Oh, Chitty, Chitty Bang, Bang

Bell dings

Mary: You play badminton with this….

George: Racquet.

Mary: Something you hit with the racquet….

Judy & George: Shuttlecock.

Bell dings

George: Oh, very funny!

Mary: She plays on the new Eastenders.

Judy & George: Judy Browne.

Bell dings

Mary: You eat them They’re often put on sticks in cocktails. Sometimes they’re stuffed.

George: Sometimes they’re stuffed?

Mary: They’re a fruit.

Judy: Olive?

Bell dings – Game over

George: That’s not very good. I think we should have two or three extra questions cause we mucked about so much.

Judy: No we didn’t. We can’t do that cause we didn’t muck about all that much. We just didn’t know. Anyway….

George: Whoooooowhoo….Well, you see you’re never going to be doubling your money again.

Judy: Listen, you’ve done very well and you’ll be delighted to know that you’ve got £5000 and thanks to this gentleman here, you’ve got £10,000. Fantastic.

Mary: Thank you very much.

Judy: You must be very happy.

Mary: I am indeed.

Judy: Telling me about Stevie Wonder, if she would have said he was blind I would have got it straightaway.

Mary: I wasn’t sure actually.

Judy: Oh, you weren’t sure. Anyway, not to worry.

George: Congratulations Mary.

Judy: Earlier on, George outlined his anti-war message. We asked you to phone in with your comments and questions for him and our phone lines have predictably been jammed. Before we talk to you, and indeed him, and you talk to him here’s a clip from George’s anti-Bush and anti-Blair song, Shoot the Dog, and this was released back in August of last year and caused, at the time, such outrage and controversy.

Clip: Shoot the Dog

Richard: Okay, let’s get straight to the cause then to George Michael. This is Daniel. Hi, Daniel. It’s your line to George.

Daniel: George, I just wanted to know, first of all you never went on the march. And secondly, why you’ve decided to come out now and speak openly about it? Is it purely because, obviously you’re getting free publicity, your record sells are going to go up because obviously the sales so far have been a bit low over recent years.

George: On what?

Daniel: On your records sales.

George: Oh, I see.

Daniel: Is the reason behind all of this…

George: I don’t actually, I have to say, I can’t really agree with you. The last album I did, which I didn’t do any promotion for whatsoever, and I didn’t release singles for, sold about 4 million copies. So I don’t think, really as someone who never does any promotion, why I should suddenly think that the war is a good idea. Especially when I, it didn’t exactly do me much good with Shoot the Dog, did it?

Daniel: No, all of a sudden…

George: What makes you think my record sales will go up? What makes you think….

Daniel: Because you were quiet after that and now that the public are saying they don’t want the war, is it for the fact that… I’m a big fan of yours, I’m just worried that, is it for the fact that…

Richard: Well you sound like a fan. (laughter)

George: Don’t hurt me…

Richard: What about the anti-war march? What about not going on the war march?

George: Well, to be honest with you, I thought about it and I was going to go on the anit-war march. But then, what actually happened was, cause I wanted at some point to let people know that even though I’d been kind of knocked down and kicked about a bit for speaking my mind, that I was still totally convinced that we shouldn’t be going to war. So I was going to go on the march and then…it was a combination of things, I was asked by Ms. Dynamite a couple of weeks ago whether or not I would contribute to that thing and I spent about four days doing that, I rewrote the lyric to Faith and rerecorded the video, blah, blah, blah…and I thought, well actually I’m doing something now, and it occurred to me….all I wanted to do, I didn’t want to go and speak amongst all those different factions because I thought it was very diverse, I wasn’t necessarily sure that that was the right platform…

Richard: You didn’t agree with some of the factions that were...

George: I just thought that some of it was, some of it…I thought that there were very different reasons for people to be speaking.

Richard: It was a multipurpose march.

George: Yes. It was a multipurpose march. That was mainly it, really.

Richard: Okay, let’s move it along.

Judy: Right. Let’s go to Jeffery. Hello, Jeffery. What would you like to ask?

Jeffery: I’d like to ask George Michael, has he ever been in a war situation in the Middle East? And if not, what makes him such an authority on maniacs like Saddam Hussein?

Richard: Can I just ask you, Jeffery, what’s your position on the war with Iraq?

Jeffery: I think we’re quite right.

Richard: You think that we have to go? We have no alternative?

Jeffery: No doubt about it. No doubt whatsoever.

Richard: Okay.

George: How old are you, excuse me, if you don’t mind my asking?

Jeffery: 55

George: 55. I think there is a, there are a lot of people of your generation naturally, that I think are harder to convince that this is not supposed to be, that this is not a clever idea. I don’t know what that’s about. I think it might have something to do with letting go of the idea that our governments, I think probably…I don’t know. I think the fact that the situation is brand new and actually, people who are younger and never did see active service, or never did experience anything of this nature, probably aren’t quite as convinced that history won’t repeat itself. Because in the past, these things have either, even if they’ve been disastrous, they don’t tend to…

Jeffery: It always repeats itself. Time and time again.

George: Yes, but do you honestly think that this war will be the same as previous wars?

Jeffery: There’s absolutely no doubt about it. If we’d have stopped Yassir Arafat in the 60’s, we wouldn’t have had the Arab-Israeli war.

Richard: Well, that’s a totally different, that’s a complicated question and it’s time to move on….

George: I do understand your point of view, and I don’t think I have any, I’m not an expert on anything. I don’t have any more right than anybody else to sit and talk on this programme. I’m just here because you’ll have me here.

Richard: Alright, well let’s move on. We can’t talk to Adrian, but he asked a question which seems to me is the core of the opposition to the point of view that you represent, George. And that is, if war isn’t the answer, if using military force to disarm Saddam Hussein to basically overthrow him and liberate his people, if that’s not the answer, what is the solution?

George: You see, I don’t necessarily believe that that’s not the answer. What I’m questioning, there are three things that I’m questioning. One, I’m questioning the timing of this and we talked about this. The timing of an attack on Iraq at the same point where there is this huge uproar in Palestine and the affect that that will have on international…

Richard: Can I check up with you on that? You said that earlier. Are you saying that we shouldn’t do anything, that we should simply contain Iraq, deal with the Palestinian problem first, and then come back to Iraq? Is that what you’re saying?

George: Yes. I think that’s, I think it’s ridiculous to spend eighteen months trying to, you know…I honestly think that Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair totally miscalculated the way people would receive this.

Richard: Do you think…

George: Because Saddam Hussein is so clearly a dangerous individual.

Richard: Do you think that he’s as dangerous as Mr. Blair was saying today? Mr. Blair, just to remind people, he said to the Welch Labour party, ‘I’m frightened. You want to know why I feel this way? It’s because I’m really frightened that if I don’t attack now with Bush I will be overseeing an international nightmare which we may not wake up from’. That’s why he wants to act now. That’s…

George: There is a huge
hole in that argument which is to pretend, as I said, that there is not a, to pretend that there is not a touch paper being lit. Because it is, and I think it’s quite clear that there is, as I said, there is a desire for
legitimacy…what they consider legitimacy of terrorists around the world. And I think that the worst thing you can do if you’re trying to confront an enemy, and terrorism is a very difficult enemy, because as you try and
rid yourself of it you breed another generation of it. I honestly believe that the worst thing you can do is pretend that you don’t know what’s going through the terrorists minds or pretend that what they’re thinking is so abhorrent that it’s irrelevant. It’s never irrelevant. That is the threat.



Judy: You think that any war, would in fact, increase terrorism?

 George: Not any war at any time. But at this particular time, I think the Palestinian equation is undeniable. And they’re not, as I said, they are separate situations. What is difficult for us is that they are perceived
as the same by the people who want to kill. 


Judy: Alright, I’m going to move on to Demitri. Hello, Demitri. You are one of George’s fellow countrymen? 

 Demitri: No, not exactly. I’m Russian myself and it’s a great privilege for me being one of his big, big fans really. Really just to say that your Shoot the Dog video is quite controversial, so were you concerned
at the time that such incredibly powerful and humorous criticisms might close some doors for you at all?

 George: Of course. I mean, I think there have been doors closing on me, in some ways from the moment I started talking about this. I’ve got to be really honest with everybody here. I’ve had twenty years of fantastic support from the public internationally. There are other things that are important to me now and if a by-product of me trying to speak my mind and do what I think is right, is that my career suffers, at this point in time that is not a disaster to me.


Richard: Sounds like Tony Blair. That’s exactly what he’s saying.


George: Did it? But no one’s going to blame me for thousands upon thousands of deaths. 

 Richard: It’s interesting. These issues are that important on both sides of the argument. We have a caller, Dina. We’ve only got thirty seconds left. So could you put this in two sentences…What do you think the
motives for the war are, she wants to know.

 George: I think the motives for the war are, I think Mr. Blair’s motivations for the war are honourable but misguided and foolish. And I think Mr. Bush’s intentions are actually dishonourable and foolish. 


Judy: Thank you very much, George. 



<<transcript by Sasha Connor>>